POKEYMANS thread

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:33 am

There we go: Skarmory, Bronzong, Jirachi, Mawile, Forretress and Escavalier have, as a team of Steels (including Steel/Psychic, Steel/Flying and Steel/Bug. Whatever), beaten the Elite 5. I have another medal, which is less important that VICTORY!

Not to mention the value-for-money in doing other stuff after beating the game. It's good to have these random things.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:51 pm

Love and Battles is an interesting story the first time, but going through the second time for the weird endings isn't that great. Still, more pokemon are movie stars now. I imagine everyone I beat in White Treehollow asks me to sign their pokeballs. Or their actual pokemon. There are all these Hariyama's with my autograph on their heads.

Also, Treehollow Hariyama is fucking hilarious to fight. It only has two moves: Fake-Out and Bullet Punch. So you enter with Jellicent. Bullet Punch does fuck-all damage (100% recovered by that round's Leftovers), then gets disabled. It is then stuck trying to use Fake-Out, a move which can't work for two reasons.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:30 pm

I assume these are Pokestar Studio movies?

[rant]
Y'know what really gets my ass? You don't see a single cent of the billions that the movies make. You don't get paid at all. All you get as compensation is gifts from the fan base, and even then, it's only (as far as I've been able to tell), two dudes (well, one dude and one dudette) who give shit, and even that can vary based on how the movie did.

Those are fringe benefits, and, if this were real life, wouldn't be considered a part of your job compensations stuff.

Well, I for one say, "Fuck all the lemonades and shit! Where's my cut of the

105.2 billion that my movie made? If I'm such a big star, Mr. Hitchcock Stu Deeoh, then where the fuck's my monies? I don't work for free!" Seriously, what the hell? Does Mr. "I am a massive Pedophile with a retarded name" get to keep all the Poke monies that you worked hard for? Just damn.
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Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:30 pm

The more movies you do, the more fans you get that give you stuff.

And again, it's Unova, so of course exploiting child actors is big on their agenda.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:40 am

You end up with the following fans who give you stuff:
[*]One backpacker dude
[*]One guitarist
[*]Two Plasma Grunts (one old, one new)
[*]Two kids
[*]One granny
[*]One nurse
[*]One Ace Trainer
[*]One tennis player
[*]One policeman

When you get strange endings, hit 999.9 Billion and complete the final in a story arc, the prizes are better. You end up reliably getting Star Pieces (cash), Nuggets (cash), Big Pearls (cash), Max Revives and Full Restores. Seriously, you can get Full Restores pretty early in the game this way, when gym leaders are still using Super Potions.

And Love and Battles is a post-game pokestar movie trilogy, yeah. White Treehollow is the "lots of battles postgame" place in White 2, ~= Black Tower. All your opponents strangely only have 1-2 moves each, except for the bosses. So Hariyama always has only Bullet Punch and Fake-Out.

Also: remember to go to the Dream Researcher place in Castelia after beating the Elite FourFive. You get given an Eevee with the Hidden Ability. You will evolve this into an Espeon. If you want Glaceon or whatever, go catch an Eevee in Castelia. Hidden Ability Eevee becomes Espeon, for Magic Bounce. Watch foes Burn themselves with Will-O-Wisp, reduce their own stats with Screech and so on. Fuck, imagine starting with a Magic Bounce Pokemon in Generations 1-3. All those fucking Zubats confusing themselves.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:55 am

You may get things to sell for ca$h from fans, but the studio itself never pays you for your troubles.

Thus, I am filled with a gushing, lava-hot hatred for Stufred Hitchdio, which is what I'm going to call him from now on.

Ted the Flayer · Post by **Ted the Flayer** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:14 pm

I think this video illustrates why I don't play Pokemon anymore.

http://www.dorkly.com/video/46625/pokem ... ev-trainer

There's too much crap and I can't keep up. Last one I played was Pearl, and the gym in the snow area was a brick wall. I couldn't beat the gym leader, the pokemon were 10-15 levels higher than mine, and grinding them out took ages. You guys talk about all this extraneous crap and it's intimidating as fuck, I just want to catch monsters and make them fight other monsters, I don't want to do math.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:57 am

Oh, I agree, Ted. I don't get the game mechanic talk much either.

To me, the series started going downhill post Gen-III (Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald), and, with the sole exceptions of the remakes of Crystal (HG/SS), I personally think that the newer games - especially Black/White and Black2/White2 - are total shit.

The reason I continue to play them is because I'm a stubborn fanboy who isn't going to quite purely to spite Nintendo. No matter how much they rape the franchise, I will (probably) never stop playing. Although, I do have far less fun playing White2 than I do, say, playing the Megaman Zero and Megaman ZX games... Actually, I'll probably give up on the Pokemon series before I do the Megaman series. Go figure.

Plus, that video was hilarious.

Ted the Flayer · Post by **Ted the Flayer** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:39 am

So, I take it Gen 3 was considered the height? I skipped the games from gen 1 to whatever Pearl is (Gen 5?)

I'll have to pick up a copy of Gen 3.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:18 am

Ted wrote:You guys talk about all this extraneous crap and it's intimidating as fuck, I just want to catch monsters and make them fight other monsters, I don't want to do math.

If you aren't willing to learn the meta you don't deserve pokemon battles!

I love meta's, even for games I don't play. But I never got into pokemon. I never really thought the games were interesting and I never really thought the competitive environment was interesting and the more I learn about the game mechanics the more I want to start punching nuts because it turns out that even at optimum play it's mostly just a giant time tax.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:51 am

Gen 3 is actually considered the worst by many. Gen 1 or 2 is the best for classic play, but the Gen 4 remake of Gen 2 (Heart Gold/Soul Silver) is the best.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:23 am

Koumei wrote:Gen 3 is actually considered the worst by many. Gen 1 or 2 is the best for classic play, but the Gen 4 remake of Gen 2 (Heart Gold/Soul Silver) is the best.

This.

I ranted about Gen III's many flaws earlier in this thread (on page 6 IIRC.)

As for metagaming, I usually say fuck that shit, and just raise and level shit that I like, to see what I get, cobble together a vaguely balanced team based on those, and make due with what that all gets me.

And generally in casual play that's more than enough; the only games where I needed to grind and roid my Pokemon up to beat the game were... wait for it... Gen III.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:50 am

I had a hard time with the Dragon-user, mainly because I was a bit short on ice-types.

That said, I liked Gen III's setting the best. And the secret bases.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:06 am

I liked Groudon and Rayquaza, and the two villain team story was pretty cool. The starters were all pretty solid designs, too.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:09 am

Prak_Anima wrote:I liked Groudon and Rayquaza, and the two villain team story was pretty cool. The starters were all pretty solid designs, too.

And Team Magma had a more-or-less sane motivation. Expanding the landmass to make more area to live on.

Team Aqua wanted to make water for more people to go swimming. Which is dumb.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:32 am

I don't like the 3Gen starters. They're almost as bad as 5Gen starters. Ranking:

1. 1Gen, because Charizard
2. 2Gen, because Typhlosion and the crocodile
3. 4Gen, because Empoleon is kind of cool and Monferno, while boring in design, is at least useful
4. 3Gen. What the fuck? Since when were roosters awesome? People only like Combusken because they love cock. See what I did there? The only other noteworthy thing about these starters is I herd u liek mudkips
5. 5Gen. Tepig is cute. It evolves into something stupid - bonus points for Emboar being so lame it's in Never Used. In BW2 you have an early opportunity to get Lucario, a much better Fighting type. What else do you have? A smug [EDITED] for a Grass type (awful stats, average movepool) and a depressed otter.

I admit the secret base thing was cool. And DPPl basically keeps that, with secret underground lairs. 5Gen gives you a Dreamworld house to decorate if you have the right Internet, and can die in a fire.

Yes, Clair will generally be a hard opponent in HGSS. But that's the only point that should really slow you down.

Incidentally, anyone playing BW2, when you get to the postgame there's a guy in Twist Mountain who gives you a quiz. One question per day, until you answer all five correctly. The prize is "another medal". Do not fucking bother with it, just go straight past him and head for the more important things (Heatran and the fossil finding guy).

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:42 am

Roosters became cool along about the time Blaziken came along. I like Blaziken because of the movesets. And Fire/Fighting. And nice attack stats. And looks pretty cool, too.

And the Mudkip evolution was pretty nice. I mean, Water/Ground FUCK YOU ELECTRIC GYM LEADER, MY WATER-TYPE STARTER IS IMMUNE TO ELECTRIC MOVES! AHAHAHAHAHA!

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:53 pm

Anything based on Mudskippers is awesome, and most Water/Ground Pokemon tend to be (Mudkip line, Wooper, Quagsire, Barboach but not its ugly ass evolution)

The other two Hoenn starters were "meh" to me.

I liked the Torterra line a lot in Gen IV (the motherfucking CONTINENT POKEMON bitches)

Team Aqua/Magma reminded me of Battle Beasts for some reason.

At least, moreso than Pokemon already does.

And Planeteers, and AVALANCHE.

That being said, two competing organizations were pretty cool, as was the "we actually all have good intentions" in their organization.

Aqua's motivation was for more people to go swimming?

I thought it was just "water is awesome and we need the ocean to do basically everything."

Then again, I only have Ruby and Emerald.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:05 pm

Yeah, I think Aqua's motivation was "water is life, and water pokemon are awesome, so lets expand the oceans so there's more life. And water pokemon."

As for the starters, ok, I forgot that Sceptile looks like ass and that it's the second form of Treecko that's cool, but:

Ted the Flayer · Post by **Ted the Flayer** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:22 pm

So, if I get HG/SS, what pokemon are recommended in normal play?

The problem I had with Gen1 was that most of the pokemon you found were retarded and useless. The problem I had with Pearl was so many of them had unique types and abilities and I didn't know what to use.

I prefer a minimum of grinding.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Prak_Anima wrote:Yeah, I think Aqua's motivation was "water is life, and water pokemon are awesome, so lets expand the oceans so there's more life. And water pokemon."

As for the starters, ok, I forgot that Sceptile looks like ass and that it's the second form of Treecko that's cool, but:

I distinctly remember the Team Aqua leader citing more places to swim as as a reason. But yeah.

Totally with you on Sceptile being a lot dumber-looking than Grovyle.

I just remembered another reason I like 3e: It's where pokemon types got more exotic. So stuff like Fire/Fighting and Steel/Psychic and I forget what else.

Re: Ted

Honestly, it's not that hard to put together a team out of the stuff you run into. Put together a well-balanced team and you can handle most threats. I used Totodile as my starter. Got a Special-attack-natured Eevee and evolved it into an Espeon (okay, that one was luck). Basically, the only thing tough to find early on is a Fire type, and I remember there being a patch of grass by the Sudowoodo that you could find Growlithes in it something

Some of the later gym leaders or one-off fights (sometimes you can fight Gym Leaders and the like in situations other than the gyms) can be tough but, on the whole, it's not psycho.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:31 pm

POKEMON CRIME ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR MOTIVATIONS

TEAM ROCKET wanted to be Sicilian, and wear awesomesauce clothing. Oh, and to make Mewtwo more badass than he already was.

TEAM AQUA was lead by Michael Bell and his organization's motivations were "WAAATER! WATER PUT OUT FIIIRRE!". And to make Pangaea. Also, RIBFIR.

TEAM MAGMA was lead by Cervantes from Soul Calibur, and his motivation was to be leader of Team Aqua, 'cause he's the pirate, dammit! And to make Water Country Kamino Manaan. Also, RIRFIB.

TEAM SNAGEM just wants to be remembered.

So does CIPHER, but they don't count because they don't have "Team" in their name. So nyaah.

Team Galactic (jeez, who even remembers them?) wanted the same thing as Team Aqua and Team Magma, but more with more pizzazz.

Team Plasma wanted to be annoying.

Team Plasma then went on to have an ideological split: Those who wanted to be annoying, but also belived they should do so by bringing morality to a game series that falls apart if you do just that, and those who wanted to be annoying, but wanted to do so because their leader looks like Gate from MMX6.

But none of the teams can ever have what they want, because they dress funny.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:39 am

Darth Rabbitt wrote:Anything based on Mudskippers is awesome, and most Water/Ground Pokemon tend to be (Mudkip line, Wooper, Quagsire, Barboach but not its ugly ass evolution)

Barboach is a very cute pokemon. I think it's the combination of its smile and whiskers. I was saddened when it evolved.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:20 am

It's based off a weather loach, which I had two of as pets for like 7 years and are already really fucking adorable for aquarium fish.

So make them Pokemon and they're like the cutest things ever.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:11 am

Based off? From the look of that, it is a weather loach, just with the ability to summon tsunamis and crap. In the same way that Herdier is totally a terrier dog that happens to be able to bite ghosts in half.